meh - I've just temporarily damaged my sense of 'everybody getting on'ness that I have. it doesn't help that I'm worried that naushad (the kid who disappeared from tkd a few weeks ago after we told him to leave his fundamentalism on the doorstep) was one of the bombers... sure he wasn't but hey...
I've always liked the community spirit that hyde park has - yeah it's subtle and easy for people who pass through on a temporary basis not to notice it - but it's there and thus it's difficult for me to think about how it's failured when the area harbours such extremists
dunno - just brings the failure home a bit too much - it's nothing to do with being scared or incensed - more just that I live here and I didn't help/notice the way things must have become.
everywhere has a few fucked up people, and there are quite a lot of people in hyde park so statistically speaking there will be a few even though it's generally quite an ace place.
I'm not too worried about that sort of thing - it's just the natural over-reaction that occurs after a cataclysmic events - people are jumpy - it will pass soon when people find something else to be worried about.
I'm just feeling down that people in ~my~ community were so disaffected.
apparently they kept people out all night - they had to sleep in kirkstall lesuire centre
we were ok - about 2 streets off the exclusion zone. So we went to the pub and got drunk, walked home past the exclusion zone, tried to get back and had to amke a detour met very bored but friendly police who were stationed on each junction.
"I know we should adopt a positive attitude and we've more chance of being ran over by a bus but excuse me if I am getting slightly weary and troubled by it by now..."
There's no reason to get even the slightest bit bothered. There's nutters everywhere who do meaningless acts of stupidity everyday. There's way too much hype about all this.
I wouldn't elevate these rogue elements above their status or get flustered otherwise they've acheived their objectives. My attitude is to laugh at them, as they blew them selves up for no good reason. They've not changed my attitude to travelling in London or returing to living in Leeds in the near future.
Yes. The TV newrooms in their desperate attempt to keep this story as emotive as possible have been using the most hyped and over the top language as possible. The TV has had an ear bashing.
more just that I live here and I didn't help/notice the way things must have become
See, I come from this from a different angle.
F*ck them. Whay should people have to make other people feel part of the community? Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying people have any right to be hostile to minority groups - far from it.
What should happen is people should just be regarded as person a / person b / person c etc. not white person a / asian person b / chinese person c like there are at the moment.
Why should the emphasis be on the community helping new comers fit in? Why don't newcomers fit themselves into the community?
It's not my responsibility to go house to house making sure people are OK. Nobody ever did that for me or anyone I know, so why should it start happening now? I'm not saying ethnic groups should stop practicing their culture, religion etc. but I am saying they shouldn't move to the UK and still act exactly as they would if they hadn't emmigrated (AND, teaching there kids that's the way to behave instead of integrating).
People may say this is a racist attitude. It is not. Also, I would say being able to nerf any critiscism with the "racist" card has got us into this mess. I have zero time for cockknockers like the BNP, but if problems exist within certain communities, the debate about what to do should be held in society overall because leaving it to within the community obviously hasn't helped. This goes for problems in the white community too (something needs to be done about little chav thugs roaming the streets) but at the moment white folks aren't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up public transport.
Wow, this is a long comment. Sorry for ranting Ms. Orange.
I must admit, I thought about you guys, and the fact that My brother lived in that area for so long - it's somewhere that was nice and happy (and safe) in my past.
And good for you for caring, Sarah - too many people will just see it as an inconvenience. People like you are the ones who help prevent these things, if only by acknowledging how terrible they are.
It is strange that althought there are cordened off streets very near to me, I dont feel like anything much has happened.
Dunno why but it doesnt seem to have affected me at all despite the best efforts of the media trying to create this sense of foreboding and panic, I think that this kind of sensationalism is just as damaging to a society as any threat of terroism is.
There seems to be this continuing drive to keep people on tenter hooks all the time, this is a very dangerous thing both mentally and physically and I cant for the life of me understand that, as they have some quite serious minds working on studies of this kind of thing, that its still allowed to go on.
This is in no way an attempt to belittle the actual events that happened and the losses suffered by the families envolved, but I do feel that the constant rehashing of events and of the hypothisis which the media have arrived at can only lead to further events and or a backlash by people that feel threatened as we have seen by the attacks on muslim families and even more stupidly, the firebombing of a sikh temple.
Yes I am worried by the loss of community, but no through the acts of foriegn terrists bent on distabalising the UK, I am worried about the loss of comunity brought forth by human nature and the constant egging on by the british media. Just in the way that we were taught that all africans cannot fend for themselves and they need us in a big brother way to come and help them, so we are told to fear the foreigner that lives next door as they want to kill us all because we dont have the same beliefs as them.
I believe in equality, people are people and we all have pretty much the same basic hopes and fears and I really object to the fact that this is being undermined by the need to sell more news papers, or more on a more sinister level to pass policy at a governmental level. It irratates me.
Interestingly with a Google search for "Hyde Park Leeds" there's no mention of yesterdays events (on the 1st few pages at least!), it's all the positive and nice things that happen there... so their ranking software is representative of how Hyde Park should be thought of.
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Date: 2005-07-13 08:30 am (UTC)I did lie to my parents that the Hyde Park incident wasn’t anywhere near us though…
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Date: 2005-07-13 08:37 am (UTC)I've always liked the community spirit that hyde park has - yeah it's subtle and easy for people who pass through on a temporary basis not to notice it - but it's there and thus it's difficult for me to think about how it's failured when the area harbours such extremists
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Date: 2005-07-13 09:09 am (UTC)I'm just feeling down that people in ~my~ community were so disaffected.
apparently they kept people out all night - they had to sleep in kirkstall lesuire centre
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Date: 2005-07-13 09:37 am (UTC)There's no reason to get even the slightest bit bothered. There's nutters everywhere who do meaningless acts of stupidity everyday. There's way too much hype about all this.
I wouldn't elevate these rogue elements above their status or get flustered otherwise they've acheived their objectives. My attitude is to laugh at them, as they blew them selves up for no good reason. They've not changed my attitude to travelling in London or returing to living in Leeds in the near future.
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Date: 2005-07-13 09:43 am (UTC)Jumpy and cautious is natural but I wish the media would calm down a bit, they're not helping. There are disasters everyday. Shit happens.
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Date: 2005-07-13 10:43 am (UTC)Another triumph of the Labour government that I haven't forgotten about. 2 million burnt animals. Well done Tony.
I can out rant anyone. I unforunatately don't get enough time to rant online.... Fortunately for everyone else, however.
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Date: 2005-07-13 11:07 am (UTC)*tappity tap tap*
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Date: 2005-07-13 11:47 am (UTC)I have a job interview tommorow at Leeds Uni and I am popping down to see the loverly people at Leeds City Council too (God help them).
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Date: 2005-07-13 10:57 am (UTC)Saying that, I always found that the SB locals were always a bit "strange".
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Date: 2005-07-13 10:27 am (UTC)See, I come from this from a different angle.
F*ck them. Whay should people have to make other people feel part of the community? Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying people have any right to be hostile to minority groups - far from it.
What should happen is people should just be regarded as person a / person b / person c etc. not white person a / asian person b / chinese person c like there are at the moment.
Why should the emphasis be on the community helping new comers fit in? Why don't newcomers fit themselves into the community?
It's not my responsibility to go house to house making sure people are OK. Nobody ever did that for me or anyone I know, so why should it start happening now? I'm not saying ethnic groups should stop practicing their culture, religion etc. but I am saying they shouldn't move to the UK and still act exactly as they would if they hadn't emmigrated (AND, teaching there kids that's the way to behave instead of integrating).
People may say this is a racist attitude. It is not. Also, I would say being able to nerf any critiscism with the "racist" card has got us into this mess. I have zero time for cockknockers like the BNP, but if problems exist within certain communities, the debate about what to do should be held in society overall because leaving it to within the community obviously hasn't helped. This goes for problems in the white community too (something needs to be done about little chav thugs roaming the streets) but at the moment white folks aren't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up public transport.
Wow, this is a long comment. Sorry for ranting Ms. Orange.
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Date: 2005-07-13 11:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-13 12:21 pm (UTC)And good for you for caring, Sarah - too many people will just see it as an inconvenience. People like you are the ones who help prevent these things, if only by acknowledging how terrible they are.
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Date: 2005-07-13 12:34 pm (UTC)Dunno why but it doesnt seem to have affected me at all despite the best efforts of the media trying to create this sense of foreboding and panic, I think that this kind of sensationalism is just as damaging to a society as any threat of terroism is.
There seems to be this continuing drive to keep people on tenter hooks all the time, this is a very dangerous thing both mentally and physically and I cant for the life of me understand that, as they have some quite serious minds working on studies of this kind of thing, that its still allowed to go on.
This is in no way an attempt to belittle the actual events that happened and the losses suffered by the families envolved, but I do feel that the constant rehashing of events and of the hypothisis which the media have arrived at can only lead to further events and or a backlash by people that feel threatened as we have seen by the attacks on muslim families and even more stupidly, the firebombing of a sikh temple.
Yes I am worried by the loss of community, but no through the acts of foriegn terrists bent on distabalising the UK, I am worried about the loss of comunity brought forth by human nature and the constant egging on by the british media. Just in the way that we were taught that all africans cannot fend for themselves and they need us in a big brother way to come and help them, so we are told to fear the foreigner that lives next door as they want to kill us all because we dont have the same beliefs as them.
I believe in equality, people are people and we all have pretty much the same basic hopes and fears and I really object to the fact that this is being undermined by the need to sell more news papers, or more on a more sinister level to pass policy at a governmental level. It irratates me.
Hmmm a bit ranty today, sorry :-/
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Date: 2005-07-13 01:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-07-13 02:17 pm (UTC)Interestingly with a Google search for "Hyde Park Leeds" there's no mention of yesterdays events (on the 1st few pages at least!), it's all the positive and nice things that happen there... so their ranking software is representative of how Hyde Park should be thought of.
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