more just that I live here and I didn't help/notice the way things must have become
See, I come from this from a different angle.
F*ck them. Whay should people have to make other people feel part of the community? Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying people have any right to be hostile to minority groups - far from it.
What should happen is people should just be regarded as person a / person b / person c etc. not white person a / asian person b / chinese person c like there are at the moment.
Why should the emphasis be on the community helping new comers fit in? Why don't newcomers fit themselves into the community?
It's not my responsibility to go house to house making sure people are OK. Nobody ever did that for me or anyone I know, so why should it start happening now? I'm not saying ethnic groups should stop practicing their culture, religion etc. but I am saying they shouldn't move to the UK and still act exactly as they would if they hadn't emmigrated (AND, teaching there kids that's the way to behave instead of integrating).
People may say this is a racist attitude. It is not. Also, I would say being able to nerf any critiscism with the "racist" card has got us into this mess. I have zero time for cockknockers like the BNP, but if problems exist within certain communities, the debate about what to do should be held in society overall because leaving it to within the community obviously hasn't helped. This goes for problems in the white community too (something needs to be done about little chav thugs roaming the streets) but at the moment white folks aren't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up public transport.
Wow, this is a long comment. Sorry for ranting Ms. Orange.
I must admit, I thought about you guys, and the fact that My brother lived in that area for so long - it's somewhere that was nice and happy (and safe) in my past.
And good for you for caring, Sarah - too many people will just see it as an inconvenience. People like you are the ones who help prevent these things, if only by acknowledging how terrible they are.
It is strange that althought there are cordened off streets very near to me, I dont feel like anything much has happened.
Dunno why but it doesnt seem to have affected me at all despite the best efforts of the media trying to create this sense of foreboding and panic, I think that this kind of sensationalism is just as damaging to a society as any threat of terroism is.
There seems to be this continuing drive to keep people on tenter hooks all the time, this is a very dangerous thing both mentally and physically and I cant for the life of me understand that, as they have some quite serious minds working on studies of this kind of thing, that its still allowed to go on.
This is in no way an attempt to belittle the actual events that happened and the losses suffered by the families envolved, but I do feel that the constant rehashing of events and of the hypothisis which the media have arrived at can only lead to further events and or a backlash by people that feel threatened as we have seen by the attacks on muslim families and even more stupidly, the firebombing of a sikh temple.
Yes I am worried by the loss of community, but no through the acts of foriegn terrists bent on distabalising the UK, I am worried about the loss of comunity brought forth by human nature and the constant egging on by the british media. Just in the way that we were taught that all africans cannot fend for themselves and they need us in a big brother way to come and help them, so we are told to fear the foreigner that lives next door as they want to kill us all because we dont have the same beliefs as them.
I believe in equality, people are people and we all have pretty much the same basic hopes and fears and I really object to the fact that this is being undermined by the need to sell more news papers, or more on a more sinister level to pass policy at a governmental level. It irratates me.
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I did lie to my parents that the Hyde Park incident wasn’t anywhere near us though…
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See, I come from this from a different angle.
F*ck them. Whay should people have to make other people feel part of the community? Don't misunderstand, I'm not saying people have any right to be hostile to minority groups - far from it.
What should happen is people should just be regarded as person a / person b / person c etc. not white person a / asian person b / chinese person c like there are at the moment.
Why should the emphasis be on the community helping new comers fit in? Why don't newcomers fit themselves into the community?
It's not my responsibility to go house to house making sure people are OK. Nobody ever did that for me or anyone I know, so why should it start happening now? I'm not saying ethnic groups should stop practicing their culture, religion etc. but I am saying they shouldn't move to the UK and still act exactly as they would if they hadn't emmigrated (AND, teaching there kids that's the way to behave instead of integrating).
People may say this is a racist attitude. It is not. Also, I would say being able to nerf any critiscism with the "racist" card has got us into this mess. I have zero time for cockknockers like the BNP, but if problems exist within certain communities, the debate about what to do should be held in society overall because leaving it to within the community obviously hasn't helped. This goes for problems in the white community too (something needs to be done about little chav thugs roaming the streets) but at the moment white folks aren't strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up public transport.
Wow, this is a long comment. Sorry for ranting Ms. Orange.
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And good for you for caring, Sarah - too many people will just see it as an inconvenience. People like you are the ones who help prevent these things, if only by acknowledging how terrible they are.
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Dunno why but it doesnt seem to have affected me at all despite the best efforts of the media trying to create this sense of foreboding and panic, I think that this kind of sensationalism is just as damaging to a society as any threat of terroism is.
There seems to be this continuing drive to keep people on tenter hooks all the time, this is a very dangerous thing both mentally and physically and I cant for the life of me understand that, as they have some quite serious minds working on studies of this kind of thing, that its still allowed to go on.
This is in no way an attempt to belittle the actual events that happened and the losses suffered by the families envolved, but I do feel that the constant rehashing of events and of the hypothisis which the media have arrived at can only lead to further events and or a backlash by people that feel threatened as we have seen by the attacks on muslim families and even more stupidly, the firebombing of a sikh temple.
Yes I am worried by the loss of community, but no through the acts of foriegn terrists bent on distabalising the UK, I am worried about the loss of comunity brought forth by human nature and the constant egging on by the british media. Just in the way that we were taught that all africans cannot fend for themselves and they need us in a big brother way to come and help them, so we are told to fear the foreigner that lives next door as they want to kill us all because we dont have the same beliefs as them.
I believe in equality, people are people and we all have pretty much the same basic hopes and fears and I really object to the fact that this is being undermined by the need to sell more news papers, or more on a more sinister level to pass policy at a governmental level. It irratates me.
Hmmm a bit ranty today, sorry :-/
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